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Muslim Headscarves Start Fight At New York Amusement Park

Fifteen people were arrested after a brawl at a New York amusement park that started when a group of Muslim women wearing traditional headscarves were told they wouldn’t be allowed on certain rides.

Some 3,000 members of the Muslim Society of New York went to the Rye Playland on Tuesday to celebrate the end of Ramadan, and the park says it told the trip’s organizers beforehand that women who wore hijabs or other head coverings wouldn’t be allowed on a number of rides because the scarves posed a safety risk.

Still, some women wearing those scarves must not have been told about the risk, because some of them tried to get on the rides anyway. When they were stopped and told they would need to remove a garment they wear out of religious conviction to ride rides they’d already paid for, a group of them decided to talk with management.

Ola Salem, a 17-year-old girl who was at the park, told The Westchester Journal News that the manager they spoke with were so disrespectful that she and a group of women decided to leave. As they walked out, so did a number of other Muslims. “By the time we got to the entrance, it was about 150 Muslims. We were at the entrance, and all of a sudden the rangers with the blue shirts, one pushed a lady. And she pushed him back. And all of a sudden a guy just jumps in, I guess he was related to her, and then the rangers just go out of control. They take out their batons and they start hitting people.”

A cell-phone video taken at the park shows a group of law enforcement officers huddled over what the man who shot it says was the first woman to be attacked. Other people at the park complained that the officers beat them unnecessarily.

Westchester Deputy Parks Commissioner Peter Tartaglia told The New York Post that the rule would apply to anything that covers the head. “Depending on the ride, it can become a projectile that hurts someone else, or it could strangle you if it got caught on something,” he says. But Salem says she’s never seen that rule enforced — she went to the same park earlier this year with a considerably smaller group of friends and says she had no trouble getting on rides wearing her headscarf. In fact, she says she’s never been prevented from riding rides at other parks because of her scarf.

Rules aren’t worth much when they’re only applied selectively, so why would Rye Playland choose this week to enforce the head covering guideline? If they were really as concerned for their patrons’ safety as they say they are, the park’s operators would have applied that rule every single day. But on this day, the park saw the incoming of Muslim women wearing scarves as a concern to be dealt with instead of what it really was: people celebrating a holiday.

Take a look at the video from the Post below, and weigh in.

[LoHud.com, NYP via Jezebel]



  • Anonymous

    http://dclucky.blogspot.com/2011/08/park-closed-over-head-scarf-arrests.html

    Three nuggets of wisdom from dclucky’s blog:

    1. “Let me ask it this way – if this had happened in your native country and
    you tried to “help” while they were being arrested, do you think it
    would have stopped with another arrest…or a bullet?” 

    2. “Along those same
    lines, what if an American woman went to and Islamic country and tried
    to get away with NOT wearing a hajib?  Do you think your homer
    countrymen would be so understanding?  We all know the answer.”

    3. “Why, if it is so hard to live here, did you move to America?  If our
    rules are so incredibly hard to follow, why not move home?  What brought
    you to this country?  Was it, per chance, that there is freedom here?
     Was it because, no matter what you do, you are not locked up or
    persecuted?  My guess would be a resounding, “YES!!!”

  • DKK

    This was a set up.  The Muslim group knew very well going in that there are rides there that do not allow for wearing caps, head dressing, scarves, or anything that can get caught in the machinery.  Playland had a death in a ride last year, and they are trying to prevent another one from occurring. But do these people accept safety rules?  Do they accept the offer of reimbursement?  NO!  they make a big stink out of it, in an effort to push their own agenda on the rest of us.  Hey, you don;’t like it?  Leave. Go to whatever country wants you to wear that crap and kill yourselves on a ride.

    If you look at the photo above carefully, you will see what really happened.  The woman was pushing AT the officer, not the other way around.

  • Lori Shaw

    If the organizers of this event were informed about head gear restrictions on particular  rides they had the responsibility to inform the attendees.  And for those who did not get the message, when the park personnel informed them of the restrictions they should have politely complied.  Rye Playland’s park, Rye Playland’s rules.
    I would like to see these women challenge their religion which excludes men from wearing hijabs.  They consider this a religious case, I consider it a case of a religion demeaning women. 

  • Anonymous

    Get over it.  Obey the rules.  We have rules.  You cannot be under a certain height to ride some things.  My Mother was too short to ride most rides but she never made a fuss.  Rules.

  • Anonymous

    Does that then mean what is more important is enforcing rules even if it means having to occasionally crack someone’s head open? Which is to suggest what we should instead applaud is a culture that enforces its own preferred version of aesthetics and rules even with degrees of violence? Or is it simply a situation that if you refuse to abide by the rules then you should bear the consequences?

    http://scallywagandvagabond.com/2011/09/woman-refuses-to-take-off-hijab-50-cops-waiting-to-arrest-her/

  • DKK

    I live in Rye. I jog past Playland every day. 
    First of all, there are ALWAYS a lot of officers at Playland.  Scallywag, do you know Rye?  Do you have any idea how big that park and the beach (part of Playland)  and Edith Read sanctuary are?  You make some big noise about there being “50 cops” there, but have ZERO context. 
    Second, this was a set up, right from the beginning.  Playland has had several ride-related deaths in the past couple of years, most recently last year.  Playland is very very very upset about that, and the park is operating at a deficit.  It has been a difficult year for the Park, and the very last thing they want is another death.  This tour group was told–repeatedly– and in advance, that no headgear (and that includes baseball caps, sparky) would be allowed on certain rides.  No one, not even the gangsta types, ever refuses to comply.  The women were offered a refund. What then is the issue?

    Face it, this was all about muslims wanting to make a stink and trying to pull sympathy toward themselves.  They started a fight amongst themselves to get that attention, and then turned it around to make it look like the police did something wrong.  They didn’t do anything wrong, and the scheme backfired.   Look up the words dhimmitude and takiyya. 

    Dhimmitude and takiyya is what this is all about.  And while you’re at it, read the five pillars of islam.  Then talk to me about any part of this farce being real.

  • Hawara

    dear tom:
    number one you can not compare the situation to another country to justify what they did to those women. we live in this country by the law < not by other countries laws, 
    number two, it seems that you don't know what you are talking about because you seems that you never been out of this country and you only listen to what the media wants you to listen or see< i came from jordan and i know for a fact that american men and WOMAN, are free to wear hat ever they wish to wear in jordan and most of the middle east countries, we understand their culture because we assumed they understand our culture and religion and they respect it .
    number three , it is not so hard to live in america if every body goes by the law of this land < the law and freedom of what the founding fathers died for , the rules are not so hard as you assumed we think it is , it is the double standards that we have a problem with , and being NOT PERSECUTED is not a privilege, it is one of the very basic rights if you don't do any thing to break the law   .
    so please look at them as americans not as muslims , what if a nun was in that situation? would they treat her the same as they treated a muslim woman ?  My guess would be a resounding, "NO!!!"

  • DKK

    P.S. Screw you Justin for this one sided and paid for op Ed that is masquerading as some kind of news

    And next time try interviewing the eye witnesses, rather than the opportunists who create this bull and suck you in to report it. This IS a safety issue, and it IS applied equally, but you are going to take the word of some agitant over the people who were there and live there? Do your freaking homework before writing this horse sh!t

  • Jackie

    Great Hawara. Now turn it around. What other country in the middle east other than Israel , Jordan and turkey allows women to walk around freely without the constriction of a head wrap? And a shroud around their body parts?
    Could I as a woman walk around in a sleeveless top and shorts in Saudi Arabia?

    Could I drive a car by myself in Saudi Arabia?

    Could I hold hands in public with my boyfriend in Iran?

    What I have serious trouble with is the double standard. And I LIVE here in Rye. You bet your bottom hijab that a nun would have to remove her head gear to ride the dragon coaster. The difference is, they would. They respect the country they live in, rather than expecting the host country to give in to their demands at the risk of safety. Unlike Muslims.

    What bull. Go back to the middle east and open your eyes. The middle east is NOT influenced by Jordan.

  • hawara

    dear jackie:
    with all due respect , you are repeating what tom was saying, he is comparing apple to orange, i was debating about the law of the land , we agree that every country has its own rules and regulations, the law of Saudi’s as a country is the islamic law , there is a dress code you have to go by, where in united states, they dont have a dress code, i do live in the united states and i respect the law and the regulations , but we didnt get the facts about what really happened there, was the security rude or arogant? was he polite? did the women asked for the refund since she didnt know about it / specially she said she had been there acouple of times in the past in that park and other parks but never been an issue , why this time? do you believe in hitting a woman? isnt there many solutions befor you get to the violent part? remember , there is always another side of the story, again, i agree with you that we all should respect the law, but we didnt know what really happen, thanks for your time  

  • moda

    I have to get into this one b/c this happened to me first hand.   They have no problem telling us off.  One Muslim lady  was parked right on the curb blocking the crosswalk at my school and when I told her she gave me this nasty look and said: “What, don’t you think I KNOW THAT bleep bleep”!   They will use the  “Muslim” card at every opportunity.  BTW,  I am not Caucasian.   Hope Rye Playland can stick it out……….don’t back down, you don’t owe them anything!   If these “safety rules” are too hot to handle then:  get out & don’t come back.  Why didn’t those women go yell & swear at the organizer? 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_66PCI4QTK4UHWMCB5HWWBVMYPA jj

    Dear Hawara
    1. Your right. We live in this country and follow the laws and rules established here. The leaders of the this group did not communicate to the group that there were RULES that needed to be followed.  So why did the situation escalate to the point that the police had to be called in to control this situation?
    2. Jordan is pretty much westernized but there are countries in the middle east that are not.
    *Yes, I have traveled outside of this country.
    3. It is easy to play the race / persecution / anti-muslim card here in the USA and many do to forward their agendas knowing that it works. 
    But many average Americans are fed up with people who use that tactic.
    AND….if this group were nuns at this park wanting to get on a ride…THEY WOULD NOT CLAIM PERSECUTION ..THEY WOULD HAVE FOLLOWED THE RULES.

  • Observer

    Love the “they” “us” discrimination. Aren’t you all Americans!

  • Passdedutchy

    Scarves like the hijab are pieces of clothing that are worn by choice by adherents of certain religions. When you move into the territory of the common person where personal preferences take second place to requirements that all must meet, you must act accordingly (courtrooms, official photos, security checkpoints, etc). America is a free country, but freedom does not extend to situations where all citizens are expected to abide by laws and rules. You are not free to break the law. You are free to exercise your religion. This freedom (as with all freedoms) will at times require sacrifice. So either you abide by your beliefs and sacrifice going on a ride, or you go on a ride and sacrifice your beliefs. Don’t forget, the United States of America is not forcing you to wear the hijab. As far as America is concerned you can wear it or not. If your religion decrees that you must wear it, then your freedoms are being restricted by the religion you choose to follow, not by America. 

  • Jackie

    Hawara, What troubles me is that you automatically assume you didn’t get the facts.  I am no fan of the media by any stretch of the imagination, but tell me this, why is it that muslims have such trouble adapting to our culture, and instead try to force us to adjust to theirs?  Hey, you want to go on a ride with a headscarf that could decapitate you, go ahead and do it in another country. We have safety laws here- laws that are applied equally to men and women (something your muslim countries lack big time).

     Moreover, they were not telling these women that they couldn’t go on the ride, only that they had to remove the headgear if they wanted to.  Or they could get a refund.  And let’s just assume for the sake of argument that someone was rude to them.  THIS IS NEW YORK!  PEOPLE ARE RUDE ALL THE TIME HERE!  Get over it.

    And I do not believe for one second that any of these women were hit.  No, I don’t believe in violence at all. But everyone there said that there was a fight started within the muslim group, that suddenly became  something else when the police went to investigate. No, I don;t believe in violence.  But I DO know takiyya and dhimmitude, only too well.  And I agree with DKK,  this was all a set up.

  • DKK

    maybe not.

  • hawara

    jackie, if we dont know the facts, how are we going to know what really happened? the answer of this question will answer your question which is “ why is it that muslims have such trouble adapting to our culture, and instead try to force us to adjust to theirs? ” as i said before, i live in this country for 15 years and i never or know some one who happened to be a muslim trying to force any body to adjust to our culture, we have community centers,and  we have mosques to practice our culture and religion , but when we go to public places where we have to associate with other cultures, we try to moderate that and meet some where in the middle for example , if i go to a restaurant , i cant force the restaurant not to serve the pork or liquor, but i can set there and order beef and soda, if i go to a amusement park with my wife , and they have safety rules in reference to scarves , e have a choice between take it off ( which we cant , against of our religion) or just set there and enjoy watching , thats why we need the facts to know what really happened there, 
    now, you asked me a question and yet you contradict your self at the end of the next paragraph, you accused us of trying to force you to adjust to your culture, while you saying this is newyork and people are rude GET OVER IT !!!!! isnt this imposing the rudeness   over us , remember , we all americans .
    i dont know what  takiyya and dhimmitude are, 
    why would this be a setup ? what are they going to get? septemper the 11th is around the corner, do you think they want to open a can of warms in these days? you think if they go to court , will theywin specially the scarves against the safety rules in that park?

  • Jackie

    Hawara-

    You said: Hawara 13 hours ago in reply to Jackie
    jackie, if we dont know the facts, how are we going to know what really happened? the answer of this question will answer your question which is “ why is it that muslims have such trouble adapting to our culture, and instead try to force us to adjust to theirs? ” as i said before, i live in this country for 15 years and i never or know some one who happened to be a muslim trying to force any body to adjust to our culture, we have community centers,and  we have mosques to practice our culture and religion , but when we go to public places where we have to associate with other cultures, we try to moderate that and meet some where in the middle for example , if i go to a restaurant , i cant force the restaurant not to serve the pork or liquor, but i can set there and order beef and soda, if i go to a amusement park with my wife , and they have safety rules in reference to scarves , e have a choice between take it off ( which we cant , against of our religion) or just set there and enjoy watching , thats why we need the facts to know what really happened there, 
    now, you asked me a question and yet you contradict your self at the end of the next paragraph, you accused us of trying to force you to adjust to your culture, while you saying this is newyork and people are rude GET OVER IT !!!!! isnt this imposing the rudeness   over us , remember , we all americans .
    i dont know what  takiyya and dhimmitude are, 
    why would this be a setup ? what are they going to get? septemper the 11th is around the corner, do you think they want to open a can of warms in these days? you think if they go to court , will theywin specially the scarves against the safety rules in that park? REPLY:You are speaking in riddles and mixing subject matter.  First, New Yorkers are rude to EVERYONE. Not just muslims, so again, get over it.Takiyya and dhimmitude are part of one of the pillars of islam which makes me seriously question that you are indeed, muslim rather than someone being an apologist planted to put propaganda every time there is a story in the media about muslims.why would this be a set up?  To try to throw “sympathy” on muslims, to overcome the anticipated 9/11 sentiment, to show that they are being “discriminated against” by others.  In short, to deflect.Here’s a tid bit for you. Islam teaches that you are allowed to lie for the purpose of converting other people to islam.  Read this:The word “Taqiyya” literally means: “Concealing, precaution, guarding.” It is employed in disguising one’s beliefs, intentions, convictions, ideas, feelings, opinions or strategies. In practical terms it is manifested as dissimulation, lying, deceiving, vexing and confounding with the intention of deflecting attention, foiling or pre-emptive blocking. It is currently employed in fending off and neutralising any criticism of Islam or Muslims.

    Falsehoods told to prevent the denigration of Islam, to protect oneself, or to promote the cause of Islam are sanctioned in the Qur’an and Sunna, including lying under oath in testimony before a court, deceiving by making distorted statements to the media such as the claim that Islam is a “religion of peace”. A Muslim is even permitted to deny or denounce his faith if, in so doing, he protects or furthers the interests of Islam, so long as he remains faithful to Islam in his heart. (See endnotes) (Islam Watch)

    You wonder why people don’t believe muslims?  That’s because lying  is part of the political and social order. It is not so much a religion as a control over what you do and what you do to others.
     
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  • hawara

    jackie:
    regarding (Taqiyya) and (dhimmitude ) , sorry , i know what you talking about , but to reply , i have to explain some thing, in Islam , there is two major sector , sunnah and shiaah, i my self follow sunnah, which is the way of prophet Muhammad, the meaning to taqiyya is different between those sectors, in sunnah sector is to hide their religion when they are under threat, prosecution , or compulsion, where in shiaah, means you can lie to people to convince them to convert to Islam, where dhimmitude means the none Muslim who lives between Muslims in a Muslim country, long time ago when we used to have the shariah law ( Islamic law ) if a dhimmitude wants to live in the Muslim land, he has to pay certain amount of money to the government . 
    Takiyya and dhimmitude are NOT part of  the pillars of Islam, the pillars of Islam are:
    1- ( testify there is no god worthy of worship but Allah and prophet Muhammad is his last messenger ) 
    2- praying 5 times a day
    3- fasting the month of Ramadan 
    4- purify your wealth , which is pay a percentage of your money to the needy .
    5-Pilgrim which is go to Mecca if you can afford it at least once .
    if you need more info about islam, this site i trust and may it could be useful http://english.islamway.com/
    in reference of lying, as far as i know , Muslim are allowed to lie in three places, and conditional lies, not just lie,1- for a man to lie to his wife if she is angry or upset . 1- to lie to the enemies in the case  war. 3- to lie to fix a problem between two persons to end a fight or miss understanding, other than that, Muslim can not lie
    by the way, i love your sense of humor, get over it,,,,,, i am not speaking of riddles, may be i am not able to describe my point the way it is supposed to be, i’ll try again ,, Muslims have rules , newyorkers have attitudes, rude, Muslims can not force people to their rules, but people have to accept newyorkers rudeness,  that’s what i meant .

  • hawara

    jackie:
    regarding (Taqiyya) and (dhimmitude ) , sorry , i know what you talking about , but to reply , i have to explain some thing, in Islam , there is two major sector , sunnah and shiaah, i my self follow sunnah, which is the way of prophet Muhammad, the meaning to taqiyya is different between those sectors, in sunnah sector is to hide their religion when they are under threat, prosecution , or compulsion, where in shiaah, means you can lie to people to convince them to convert to Islam, where dhimmitude means the none Muslim who lives between Muslims in a Muslim country, long time ago when we used to have the shariah law ( Islamic law ) if a dhimmitude wants to live in the Muslim land, he has to pay certain amount of money to the government . 
    Takiyya and dhimmitude are NOT part of  the pillars of Islam, the pillars of Islam are:
    1- ( testify there is no god worthy of worship but Allah and prophet Muhammad is his last messenger ) 
    2- praying 5 times a day
    3- fasting the month of Ramadan 
    4- purify your wealth , which is pay a percentage of your money to the needy .
    5-Pilgrim which is go to Mecca if you can afford it at least once .
    if you need more info about islam, this site i trust and may it could be useful http://english.islamway.com/
    in reference of lying, as far as i know , Muslim are allowed to lie in three places, and conditional lies, not just lie,1- for a man to lie to his wife if she is angry or upset . 1- to lie to the enemies in the case  war. 3- to lie to fix a problem between two persons to end a fight or miss understanding, other than that, Muslim can not lie
    by the way, i love your sense of humor, get over it,,,,,, i am not speaking of riddles, may be i am not able to describe my point the way it is supposed to be, i’ll try again ,, Muslims have rules , newyorkers have attitudes, rude, Muslims can not force people to their rules, but people have to accept newyorkers rudeness,  that’s what i meant .

  • Jackie

    Hawara, I don’t believe for a moment that you are a Muslim.  You didn’t even know what takiyya and dhimmitude were, and you just went and looked them up.  And btw, takiyya IS part of the first pillar.  You really need to do some more homework before you think you can get away with masquerading as a muslim.  And there is a big big difference between New Yorkers’ rudeness and safety concerns on a ride. Your lack of intellectual honesty is astounding on that.  

     And here’s another difference.  In THIS country you are free to walk around in a shroud if you want to.  They only tell you you can’t go on a ride with your headscarf if there is a safety issue. In saudi arabia, or iran, or iraq, etc,. I would HAVE to wear a shroud. ALL the time. Muslim countries woudl FORCE me to wear something I despise. Here, in the US, you have a choice.  But do feel free to go and live in a country that forces you to act, dress and behave in a way that allows them to totally control you.  But don;t do that here, or get on people’s cases here and be an apologist for muslim misbehavior.  It is not 9/11 that causes the anger, but the fact that muslims come the US and try to change it to become muslim-like.

  • hawara

    jackie, i met a lot of people like think they know it all, think they are right no matter what, they want to argue NOT conversate , it is up to you to believe i am a muslim or not and it doesnt really matter if i am a muslim, we are conversating about what happened, as i said before, i am from jordan, in jordan we speak arabic ,  takiyya and dhimmitude are translated from arabic to english which changes letters that english doesnt have so you and other none arabic speakers could read it , and even if i dont know them , what is wrong to go look them up? i am not an arrogant who insist that i am right no matter what , if i am wrong , i will admit it , if i dont know some thing , i will say it i dont know it not like you pretend that if you know  takiyya and dhimmitude  that you figure all the religiln of islam, like many people , they dont know about islam nothing but that the woman has to be wrapped and they can men can marry 4 wives, thats all what they know , 
    and for your intellectualieness sake, when i bring up an example, dont discuss the example itself, discuss the idea of it . 
    it seems that you ran out of intellectualism because you came back again to compare this country with other muslim countries, and of course as many people when they ran out of ideas or debates, they would say ( go back where you came from ) . so get a life and get out of the bubble you contained your self into it .

  • Jackie

    All your words change nothing,  It stinks to be under the thumb of a controlling political order that masquerades as a religion.  It is you with the intellectual dishonesty, and now, you are practicing deflection.  That’s why muslims do on these sites, you see it ALL the time. Anything to be an apologist for islam. 

    Ran out of intellectualism because I compare the US with muslim countries?  You don’t get it, do you?  That IS the point.  The comparison between muslim countries and the freedom you have in the US.  You just hate that, don’t you?

  • Hawara

    deflectors always accuses others with deflection , but for the sake of deflection,,,which religion you are referring to when you  said ( masquerades as a religion. )
    i dont get it ???? i dont get it when i said that every country has it is own laws? if you choose to go to that country , you have to go by their law , but why do we have to use this comparison to justify what happened? that doesnt mean i agree with this or that law  i my self despite the laws of jordan my country ,,,,, but that doesnt change the fact that is their law and every one have to obey the law just like muslim have to obey the law of that park,,,, i aid this in many examples but your brain doesnt want to change the frozen ideas in there,,,, and i will say it again , muslims like others have to obey the law of the land or the park or the court , and for the records I LOVE THE FREEDOM THAT IS HERE IN THE US, get it ? but what i hate is the oppression and dictatorships in the middle east , is that clear ? 

  • Jackie

    Islam is a political agenda masquerading as a religion. It is insidious, it is designed to infiltrate into society and the aim is to convert all “infidels” to Islam.  Thanks but no thanks, I want no part of someone else controlling my life. Yes, it is clear that you like the freedoms here.  You can use them to challenge what happens every time a muslim is shown in a not so great light. What happened with those people at Playland was a set up. The entire tour group was told repeatedly that headscarves would not be allowed on certain rides, period.  So what do they do? They go ahead and make a scene, and try to portray themselves as victims.  I am telling you, this kind of nonsense  is not going over well in this country.  I think we need to have a law where no one can cover up. Symmetry would be fair play.

  • Hawara

    i just can win with you,,,,,,,,,,,, you accused me of something, i proof the opposite, you accuse me of some thing else , where this accusations will end?, you accused me that i pretend to be a muslim, then i tried to justify what happen to those women, then i hate the freedom , now i tried to use the freedom to challenge what happened !!!!!!!! i just learned from a friend who lives in NY that the scene was between to groups of muslims, and before that i read in another site that the organizer of the group didnt tell the group about the safety laws in the park, because of that , thats why i said we need to know the fact and what is really happened over there ,,, so the whole thing was nothing about saudi arabia or middle east or set up or any thing else , we see this all the time , if that happen with a group of black people, people would say it is discrimination, so thats why we need a law to be implemented to every single one.
    in terms of you think that we need a law  where no one can cover up.,,,, that is so funny in a freedom country, would you agree that all female must wear a dress/ no pants, how about all men has to shave their bears and mustaches? what about no sexual relation without marriage? or no parents can have more than 2 sons or daughters, you said   ”  I want no part of someone else controlling my life ” that is not fair play as you said , what is fair play is to think collectively not individually, not every thing acceptable for you would be for others, a lot of women think of themselves so high that NOT any body can look at their hair or their skin and enjoyed it , like the flower in the park, every body passing by , look enjoy smell , may be touch , unlikely other women see themselves  as a flower in her special garden not for the public, they see it as a way of modesty , privacy and morality .

  • Hawara

    i just can win with you,,,,,,,,,,,, you accused me of something, i proof the opposite, you accuse me of some thing else , where this accusations will end?, you accused me that i pretend to be a muslim, then i tried to justify what happen to those women, then i hate the freedom , now i tried to use the freedom to challenge what happened !!!!!!!! i just learned from a friend who lives in NY that the scene was between to groups of muslims, and before that i read in another site that the organizer of the group didnt tell the group about the safety laws in the park, because of that , thats why i said we need to know the fact and what is really happened over there ,,, so the whole thing was nothing about saudi arabia or middle east or set up or any thing else , we see this all the time , if that happen with a group of black people, people would say it is discrimination, so thats why we need a law to be implemented to every single one.
    in terms of you think that we need a law  where no one can cover up.,,,, that is so funny in a freedom country, would you agree that all female must wear a dress/ no pants, how about all men has to shave their bears and mustaches? what about no sexual relation without marriage? or no parents can have more than 2 sons or daughters, you said   ”  I want no part of someone else controlling my life ” that is not fair play as you said , what is fair play is to think collectively not individually, not every thing acceptable for you would be for others, a lot of women think of themselves so high that NOT any body can look at their hair or their skin and enjoyed it , like the flower in the park, every body passing by , look enjoy smell , may be touch , unlikely other women see themselves  as a flower in her special garden not for the public, they see it as a way of modesty , privacy and morality .

  • Jackie

    Good for them. Let them hide behind their shrouds. Let them allow men to subjugate them, brainwash them into thinking that they are flowers instead of living vital human beings, or incite them into the scene that happened at Playland.  Only a man would talk like that.  I’ve got a great idea.  How about you men covering up and saving your flowers for your wife only?  Hey, make it fair!  What’s good for her is good for you.

     I live here, I know what happened at Playland.  You prove nothing.  You can talk all you want, and keep asking what the “facts” are, but when you live somewhere that something like this happens, you find out first hand what really happened. The muslims created a scene. Intentionally and deliberately provoking and baiting the park security.  And then putting it on video, but conveniently not catching the beginning of the provocation. All part of trying to impose muslim ideas on the US.

    The other point is, I would love to see a law here, the opposite of which you have in your muslim countries, that women CANNOT be veiled or enshrouded in hijab. I have zero doubt that the muslims living here would disobey it, and try to change our laws into theirs. Just like they are trying to do  with shari’a law here.

    You might consider not being and apologist for this behavior.  Most people will not tell you to your face how they feel.  You claim to live here, not in the middle east.  Then know this: while the US prides itself on being– or trying like hell to be– a tolerant nation, NO ONE here will tolerate the imposition of islam’s myriad rules, limitations, restrictions, rigidity and controls on us. For us, that is a huge step backward.

  • ASIA

    @MarleneTom:disqus

    (1) IF IT HAPPENED IN MY NATIVE COUNTRY THE SAME THING WOULD’VE HAPPENED (BORN IN AMERICA)

    (2) WHY DO YOU SUSPECT ALL MUSLIMS ARE BORN IN ANOTHER COUNTRY? WHAT IF WE WERE BORN IN AMERICA! SO DONT GO AROUND SAYING IN YOUR COUNTRY WHEN THIS IS MY COUNTRY AND I HAVE MY RIGHTS!

    (3) WHY DO YOU CARE IF SOMEONE MOVED TO AMERICA? THEY HAVE THERE OWN REASONS SO STOP BEING NOSY AND GET UR NOSE OUT OF IT! “WHY NOT MOVE HOME” UMM LEMME SEE THEY WERE ALL BORN HERE U DUMB FUCK RACIST BITCH! GET A LIFE AND DONT HATE LOW LIFE!

  • ASIA

    I CAN TELL BY YOUR TONE UR A FILTHY WHITE TRASHED AMERICAN BASTARD!!!!!!!!!

  • ASIA

    Rules dont mean to physically hurt a group of people including women. Rules dont mean to treat a human person like an animal. Rules dont mean to grab a hold of someone and toss them to the floor! GET OVER IT this is the twenty first century not the age of HITLER

  • ASIA

    DKK GET THE FUCK OUT OF THIS RACIST FUCKER

  • ASIA

    PREACH IT FELLOW MUSLIMAH

  • ASIA

    QUESTION TO YOU
    ARE YOUUU MUSLIM??

  • ASIA

    FUCK OUTTA HERE!

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